I would be happy to send my calendar and to do list if its of any use?
I got enough on mine!
for inspiration, although you can take on my calendar and to do list if you like
Actually an interesting idea. Seeing other peopleās stuff. Iād want it to be anonymised. Like a public ādrop boxā in the not-a-cloud-hosting-service sense.
Ok how would I share it anonymised and in the format youād like? Iām not very techy!
yeah, interesting idea, and Iād be happy to contribute too. Iām not sure how it would be done though ā¦ the details of todos and tasks are so specific to both the content and the tools being used.
However, maybe the structure is valuable in itself. What are the patterns, and what tags and symbols and such do people use. So screenshots with lots of blur or blackout might work.
Hold the thought, Iām not ready for it. But Iāll ping you if the day comes. Appreciate the offer.
I agree and disagree. Iāll keep my comment here brief.
Both JD and to-do lists largely exist to do the exact same thing. Wrangle the infinite into organized domains, and then give the user the freedom to go through life dealing with domains rather than individual tasks. A to-do list organized by deadlines is based on time, organized by willingness-to-engage like Mark Forster suggests is secretly organized by available energy, or organized by next-actionable-task like David Allen is organized by location.
I think a study into the philosophy of how organization of tasks and organization of JD overlap can lead to understanding principles of organization and then refining JD. For that, I hope Johnny doesnāt give up on it. Especially because so much of what we store as files is for the dream of āone day this will be useful to meā. Otherwise we just delete the files.
That said, I agree that Johnny is a person weāre all waiting on more words from re: organizing file-systems so tangents that take up his time are worth pointing out.
@cobblepot , thanks for the reminder that task management is a very complex area to figure out! I agree that layering the two together can have higher-order effects which are difficult to predict. For example, I have been trying a set of ten task-management tags for the past two weeks; at first, I thought I had found the perfect solution, but Iām already noticing where my set of tags is starting to feel inadequate.
Just a quick observation. I was watching todayās video and at this timestamp it struck me: Task management has been in scope for Johnny Decimal since the beginning! A very clear articulation of how having your stuff organised can be crucial to knowing what to do next.
With time I use JD system only for storing files or notes in my index.
I donāt use it anymore for To-Do or mail because I donāt consider them like storage.
So in both I have an inbox, 2-3 lists or folders, an archive folder for emails I donāt want to delete.
All other To-Do item or emails are deleted as soon as possible.
My main influence is the book āFour Thousand Weeksā - by Oliver Burkeman.
A great reading for me to become aware of stopping wanting to find a better system, which is time consuming and in the end always make it more complex.
Thanks for this perspective, @Mentat. I havenāt read Oliver Burkemanās book, but I do read his newsletter with great interest. My experience has certainly been a yoyo ā I alternate between letting go Burkeman-style and more rigid Cal Newport style time-block planning. Both approaches help me at different points in the flip-flop cycle, and I havenāt found the balance in the middle yet.
I thought Calās commentary on this tension in this podcast episode was helpful, if fairly obvious: TLDR; we should be trying to make the world more like a place where Oliverās approach would work for everybody ā but in the meantime, sometimes we might need some more rigid external disciplines.
Iād be interested to hear more about the evolution of your approach. I think I see my JD system as a living documentation of all the things Iām working on in my life, and so I feel itās appropriate to tag the things themselves to indicate todo status. I was going to share this when I had gotten some more experience with it, but itās relevant here:
I have small set of tags (ten, some of which have multiple values allowed) which I sprinkle in the notes in my JD system. For example:
:do=[able|next|ing|ne]:
:on=DATE:
:with=PERSON|CONTEXT:
:up: (as in upgrade, improve)
:tip: (as in, pick up here when next working on this thing)
The idea is that these are like post-its Iād stick by the kitchen door to remind me of errands, and which I remove when the errand is done.
thereās still some wrinkles, but Iām slowly figuring out if and how this works. The key is that itās a closed set, to keep it from growing indefinitely. Also key is that I am working in plain-text files all day long anyways; I can do a full-text search for these tags through my notes (in JD system) and my code (outside JD system) in one interface. And also that I use it as it fits, and donāt worry too much about stale tags; itās a way to reasure my brain that I can find the latest status of things, and context will make it clear when tags are no longer relevant. Finally, my partner is slowly getting on board with a shared JD system, and I think this can function as a very low-tech shared task management system via synced files.
Hi @hans
Thank you for your very detailed post. I understand your system and I find it very clever.
I also have a long use of unix and Linux systems and the purely textual approach is part of the philosophy. So I was in the same approach.
I will try to describe what made me change but before that the biggest lesson is that there is no single approach but choices of appropriation of methods.
My first observation was that I was too much in the constant accumulation of knowledge about productivity methods and tools. Consequences I wasted a lot of time consuming, analyzing, adapting and rebooting my personal system.
Second observation, I accumulated tasks, notes, bookmarks, books, filesā¦ which in the end were not useful to me, took me time to organize and maintain and came to drown the essential things (yes, I have been adhered to minimalism for more than 15 years)
Third observation the tendency to become more complex. As soon as we have a particular case, a repetitive task I tend to want to classify and automate what takes more time and mental load.
So I started from these observations to set myself rules.
- Use JD index to reference files and notes (see my post here)
- Use the simplest tools possible and included in my basic environment (Apple notes, Finder, remindersā¦)
- Sell my soul to the Apple ecosystem (I wonāt develop hereš)
- Mercilessly delete all that is superfluous to keep only what is really valuable. Immediately or after a certain time (for example, I have an annual routine or I delete a full year of 6-year-old personal files)
- Define if a tool is a temporary storage or process storage tool.
It was on this last point that I lightened my use of JD.
For storage tools I use JD at different levels.
Classically AC.ID for filesystems (cloud, local or external drive, NASā¦). Either at the AC level for other tools (Web browser, Apple Podcasts, ebook reader, Photosā¦)
Can you tell me that the email and the To-Do list can have the same approach? Yes, if I donāt systematically delete the elements
For emails I delete by default, if I have something to do with the email, either I do it right away if less than 2 minutes or I put it in a āin progressā directory until it is solved. Last option I want to keep this email, I place it in āarchivesā. The archives are processed every month, I delete messages more than three years old. And if at the end of the end I want to keep this message that is dear to me, I place it in my āto keepā directory.
Of course if the email has important information I put it in my notes to the right AC.ID.
For my todo list I use Olivier Bukermanās approach with an open list in which I place all the tasks that go through my head. Every month I come back to them to delete them and organize them by AC sections.
I then have a list for all the routines that are recurring (routines of the week, month, quarter of the year, recurring maintenance, health tasksā¦) also classified by AC sections.
Then I have the closed list in which I put 2 to 3 objectives/projects or tasks maximum. This is what I make progress on a daily basis. I only focus on it.
For the small tasks of the programmed daily life either it is a programmed task or these in my calendar.
So every day I set the tasks of the ātodayā list and then I organize my time around the tasks of my closed list.
Precision, my closed list may have a project or a broad objective. The details of my plans with all the corresponding subtasks are stored in my notes in my JD Index.
Edit: precision #2 I use it in 2 distinct context, personal and professional. Donāt mix the two.
So I found that Olivier Bukermanās book reasoned with my state of mind about what productivity and time management should be. Moreover, I notice that a movement is emerging about Slow productivity (C. Newportās new book but didnāt read it).
@mentat, thank you very much for this lengthy reply. It has given me pause for thought. I will return to this when I have time. For now, see here for an example of how Iām stuck in the trap of endless configuration. Itās very insiduous; even when you think youāre simplifying, you might still be making things harder for yourself
more later.
Hi @hans
Yes, I understand this state well. Even if my way seems simple and logical to me now, it took me a lot of time and tested far too many things before I got to this point.
Itās interesting to see that for years I also used the commands and software you quote. I was an intensive user of Archlinux (and I must say that ārangerā was one of the favorite applications).
I would add a constraint to this approach that does not necessarily apply to your case: the need to collaborate.
Indeed, in my personal case, I think of my system from now on at the level of my family. For their part, it is therefore necessary to use common tools, simple mechanisms and an easy-to-use organization.
If I resume, for example, my photo organization. It was on my NAS, which had to be started, then synchronized the files via an app and then use image viewing software by browsing directories sorted by year and month.
Now that I have sold my soul to Appleās ecosystem (also possible with Google) we use Apple Photos which takes care of storage, synchronization, and display. We share our photos either in common or private, everyone creates albums according to their personal organization (for me I can use my JDex).
And the last thing that seems very important to me is the transmission of the system. If tomorrow I disappear all my digital environment is easily transmissible and usable in the state to my loved ones.
So I integrated them into my approach. We use the same applications, our common files are based on my JDex architecture, for the rest they do as they want. Even if I give them advice and show them that organizing their files with JD Index would be much more effective
In my continuing effort to figure out a better way to manage āto-doā-like tasks,[1] Iāve started an experiment.
At the end of every day, I commit to spending 30 minutes āmanagingā my to-do system. If thereās stuff to-do, I do it. In order of importance and date.
If there isnāt, I go through old items and tidy them up. Or I look at what remains and make sure itās good and neat and in the right bucket and has the right dates etc.
Obviously this is an end of the day task, not a start of the day. Use your fresh brain for real work. Use your tired brain for this.
My realisation was that I tend to knock off at, say, 17:00. During the day, this stuff never gets a look-in. Iām busy! With real work! And then you work right up to your knock-off time because youāre sure the thing youāre doing is urgent or that youāll get it finished.
Well it isnāt, and you wonāt. So just take half an hour, āfinishā early, and pay attention to this stuff. Because your overall quality of life will improve. Youāll be less stressed because you didnāt do any of that stuff that you never get to.
Thatās it. Thatās the tip: spend half an hour doing a thing that you donāt want to do. Iām about a week in and I tell you what, itās life changing.
But how are you managing those tasks?
Right now, using the venerable Things. Itās so nice.
Iām not in a position to share the details yet, but Iām working on it.
Which I donāt call āto-dosā as Iām sure that many of the things that we record in our to-do list arenāt things to do: theyāre just things we might like to do, or ideas for things, or thoughts, or dreams, or ideas that we had that really didnāt need to be written down, we just didnāt know that at the time. ā©ļø